Okay, so it's 2:30 am in the morning here - I was asleep, but after 2 hours of it, my body decided Fuck it - she needs to be awake! So, tomorrow I'm going to be fucking tired during the journey to the county where I am going for a mini-break. So, what better way to waste my time awake than to blog?
I have said a few times on this blog that I go on Tumblr Confession sites, where people confess their little hearts out about their favourite groups, such as Morning Musume in this case, and I found one that kind of struck a nerve with me today...
Now, before I really get really get into this post, I think that I can safely say a majority of Morning Musume fans, heck, every fan of every other group, is kind of annoyed by the poor line distribution that is set in groups. Some people get upset by it (myself included, admittedly) and some people get very angry - and it is understandable, but then there are people like the ones above, who believe that these girls aren't given lines for this reason - that they are not ready yet, and in a way, it does irk me. In fact, it irks me a lot.
Line distribution in groups is a big thing - generally, the most lines go to the popular members, regardless of vocal talent. Example A of this is, unsurprisingly, Michishige Sayumi. The girl herself knows that she can't sing well, however because of her popularity, she gets a good portion of lines in singles now (I say now), though that wasn't the case early on in her career. The same can be said for Ishikawa Rika, who's voice I don't really like, and yet she got a lot of lines during her time in Morning Musume because of how popular she was.
But there are also girls who could sing in Morning Musume that were also popular - namely Abe Natsume, Kago Ai, Takahashi Ai, Fujimoto Miki and Tanaka Reina. All of these girls are really good singers, that is a fact, and they were or are all popular in Morning Musume because of their vocal talent, and I honestly don't have an issue with this - I mean, they are the best singers, why not let them represent the group and show off their skills?
Then there are the girls who are popular, but don't get solo's, and the girls who are good singers, but also don't get lines - This is where Sayu will pop up again. Whilst Sayu is popular, she didn't necessarily get the lines she 'deserved' as a member who was popular - the same goes for Koharu Kusumi. Despite her popularity with the wota, she was kind of given the short leg with lines later on in her career as a Musume, though she was shown a lot - much like Sayumi was. It's the same with Fukumura Mizuki right now - the girl can sing, and has a good amount of popularity, however she doesn't get as many lines as fellow Jyuukie member, Sayashi Riho, who can't sing as great as Fukumura (in my opinion, think how you wish) or hold notes as well. And yet, Fukumura isn't really given much in terms of solo's. The same would go for girls like Yossie, LinLin and JunJun, who could all sing, but weren't given lines because of their popularity. The same could go for Kamei, who later got lines because she just seemed to shoot up like a daisy in the spring in terms of wota love.
And then there are the 'unpopular' members who aren't really pushed, but, improve over time. Kamei Eri, as an example, and other members like Niigaki Risa, Ogawa Makoto, Tsuji Nozomi and others. These girls don't really stand out at first, but in time become better and, if everything goes well, become even more popular and are put to the front because they are what the wota want, and can also sing really well, like Kamei Eri and right now, Niigaki Risa. This is what most people hope for with new members, like Zukki or Masaki Satou, who are both improving greatly with their singing already.
With what this person said, and how I see it, I feel that they are wrong - they say that these new girls aren't ready yet, and yet they fail to mention that in the beginning, Riho was not a great singer, and she still has some difficulty sometimes - and yet, whilst Fukumura could sing nicely, Riho was pushed to the front because of her popularity. Singing doesn't help these girls get a lot of lines - their popularity does. Why do you think LinLin and JunJun were pushed to the back? They weren't popular, despite both being damned good singers, and were ignored for most of their careers in Morning Musume. Sad, but bloody true.
But my big issue here is that line distribution goes beyond solo's - it's all lines, not just the parts where the girls get that one line to shine. It's the rest of the lines, the shared ones outside of the 'all group' lines. It is those kinds of lines that I have a big issue with right now, because these lines can be really unfair, such as in, oh let's say... Renai Hunter?
Renai Hunter is a glaring example of this - and so is Only You. These two songs may have some strong solo's in them from the leading ladies, however, it also has poor line distribution where the rest of the girls, barring Ayumi I think, are pushed to the back and get about one or two shared lines with the other members, whilst girls like Sayumi, Riho, Reina and others get a great amount of solo's as well as shared lines. And yes, that pisses me off!
It's also the same in Kono Chikyuu and Kare to Issho, with horrible line distribution - however most of the time this crappy line distribution is made up for by good screen time, though even then not all the girls get good amounts of screen time either, and if you are a fan of these girls, the line distribution and screen time can be a little bit of a piss-take if they aren't shown or even heard much.
And it isn't just Morning Musume - as you all know, S/mileage recently took this route, considering that they now have more members.
Now, admittedly, I am on the edge with S/mileage right now - I don't like nearly all of their members, barring Kana and Akari, and a sudden liking for Dawa as well
But I think it is kind of understandable why I have such an issue with S/mileage, considering they were based more so on their talent as eggs rather than how popular they were...
But, for some reason, I don't currently have an issue with the line distribution between C-ute or Berryz,
I can't say much in terms of Berryz, considering I ignore them for the most part - but my main issue with Berryz is that there is a tad too much focus on certain members, including the lovely Miyabi. However, their recent singles do give a bit more focus on the other members, and they have relatively good line distribution with each girl shining during a solo
So, as you have probably guessed, my issue with line distribution lies mainly in the groups that I really like, or even liked in the case of S/mileage - and it isn't the solo's that irk me now, though that can come into play sometimes, but the line distribution where a certain number of girls sing. It honestly pisses me off, especially when these girls aren't given good screen time either.
I do find it annoying that people think that all the talented or 'ready' members get lines when that is not the case - but I can't really oppose their opinion, however I can debate it if I feel that they are, in a way, wrong. And here, I do think that some people are wrong. In the idol world, it isn't the good singers who get the lines, it's the popular members. This goes for groups outside of H!P, like TGS, Sexy Zone, H!S!J and other popular groups, so I am not just directing this at Hello! Project - they are just the group that I target because I know more about them.
So the issue is that, no matter what, line distribution will suck, and popularity won't always guarantee solo's in the group (though it can give them more screen time). However, your best bet is to buy a lot of merchandise of your favourite member of any given group, and hope for the best, otherwise, they might just stay in the back for a while. That, or you can hope that the wota lose interest in a certain front member, and that they get pushed to the back.
But that's doubtful, though it does happen...
... And this is a majority of you as you read this post, or me, as people hate on me for giving my say on line distribution. I needed an excuse to get Gary Oak in on the act, sorry!
My opinion has been given!
Chiima~
PING!!! Idol Minded Recommended Reading: April 1st 2012
so true so true
ReplyDeleteI barely even saw Zukki in Renai Hunter. i know that in the dance, she's in the front/back center but for the close ups, excluding the magazine shot, i barely saw her and she's them member with the most personality out of 9th gen. But it's so sad that she gets no love and no promotion. Eripon has Oha with Koha and Fukuhime has her time in the eggs to fall back on while Zukki has nothing and thats pissing me off. Right now she has no way to promote herself and i faer that their next single will be Reina, Souless demon child, Sayu, Ayumi/Haruka/Masaki lead with bits of Fukuhime added in.
I loved that Zukki had a good part in the dance - there, you do see her a lot, I agree, but the rest she is pretty much kept hidden, and that's sad. Also, Eripon no longer as Oha as she graduated with the other girls of Oha Maple Girl. Hopefully, in the next single, everyone will get a better amount of screen time. I hope Dx
DeleteZukki gets more screen time for the happier/genki songs. She was pretty much the star of the Kare to Issho PV.
ReplyDeleteShe's the youngest kyukkie, and has a ways to go in terms of her dancing/singing, so it's not a huge tragedy that she's in the back right now.
I might disagree there - Eripon was shown the most out of the 9th gen in Kare to Issho, her screen time in both Kono Chikyuu and kare to was amazing. She had a lot more than Zukki, though Zukki shined in Kono Chikyuu.
DeleteI honestly hope that she is in the front in the near future then, if it isn't a tragedy that she is in the back now, but if she gets the same treatment than JunLin had, I will not be a happy camper DX
I agree and disagree with you on different points, but I'm way too lazy to mention them... XD
ReplyDeleteIt's fine to disagree xD These are ultimately my opinions, and sometimes, mine are flawed in the eyes of others ;) x If you disagree, go ahead! Can't stop how you feel -dances-
DeleteI pretty much agree with you except for when you said Meimi can't sing xD In my opinion she's the one member that has noticeably improved most vocally since she joined. (Hell, Kanon and Dawa have been doing this for a lot longer and they haven't changed a lot since SCE ESPECIALLY Dawa)
ReplyDeleteRina has always been a great singer but she hasn't really gotten a chance to improve (sad, but true) and Akari doesn't have a BAD voice, though I don't care for it at all (or her personality... or her anything... LOL) but she hasn't gotten a lot better. --scratch that, she hasn't gotten better while in the GROUP. she used to sound terrible during Shin Mini Moni performances-- And let's face it: my Kana's will never get more lines no matter how popular she gets at her level --INSERT BROKEN HEART BECAUSE BLOGSPOT DELETES LESS THEN SIGNS-- (I've been noticing more love for her since Choto Mate Kudasai... o 3o hehe...)
So... yeah. xD Dawa and Kananananananana are my favorite S/mileage members, but their voices kinda suck.
I honestly don't think that Meimi can sing xD But that's just me, all I hear is one long shreik when she opens her mouth... mwahahahahahahahaahhaahahaha, but sadly, she is better than Kananananananananana and probably better than Dawa.
DeleteI like Akari, she just sucks at high notes. And I wish that Kana did get more lines, because she certainly has the personality and face to be a front girl in S/mileage, but S/mileage has mostly been about the good singers... until they added Meimi Dx
Awww, I think Meimei's voice is cute! :)
DeleteI will say each to their own! I adored Koharu's voice,despite a lot of people hating it, so I know that not everyone will like the voices I like :) I think that, in time, I might come to like Meimei's voice :)
DeleteI agree with nearly everything you said. Except I don't think JunJun could sing, like at all. And Kamei Eri could always sing. It's just that there were much more popular members in the beginning of her Momusu career and that made her get shoved to the back. But pretty much as soon as they graduated she went right up and grabbed tons of lines. As for current Momusu I think we'll definitely see a shift line distribution wise. I mean, with Risa gone the only good and popular singer will be Reina. And they obviously can't make every song a glorified Reina solo. And besides that they really need to start building up the other members of the 9th and 10th gen because sooner than you think they'll have to hold the group. As of right now they can't do it on their own because only Riho is given attention. I honestly think the 2nd single after Risa leaves will be really fair. Not the first single because they'll be wanting to test the waters a bit. It all really depends on the direction the group goes into. If it continues to be mature they we'll most likely only hear the best and most popular singers of the group which are Reina, Riho, Sayumi, Mizuki, and Ayumi. Aika can also hold her own but she'll never get lines. :/ But if they go the more upbeat and energetic route they'll probably be able to include everyone.
ReplyDeleteAs for S/mileage they semi know what they are doing. They put Meimi up front for popularity reasons, but they also give Akari a nice chunk of lines because she's the best singer of the 2nd gen. Akari got more lines than Meimi in Chotto Matte Kudasai and she got what seems to be the same amount of lines as Meimi in Dot Bikini. And with S/mileage I don't really mind as much because my beloved Kanon is finally the absolute center of the group. I loved Yuuka and all, but Kanon could never fully shine with her around.
Oh Hey! Say! JUMP they're all over the place line distribution wise. It first started out that it was just the good singers, they had giant group songs with practically no solos, then it was back to popular members, then it was just a Ryosuke single, then it was randomly even, then it was back to not being even, and now you can't really even judge because the lines were based on a drama. XD But for the most part Johnny's groups are extremely even. Except for the atrocity that is Kis-My-Ft2's lines distribution and Kanjani8.
Also, my god I wrote a lot. O_O
LONG POST IS LOVE!
DeleteAt first, I honestly thought that JunJun was a bad singer, but I also think that she greatly improved - though she was nowhere near as great as LinLin is. I am also hoping that for the 50th single, the first single that Risa won't be in, that everyone gets lines because 50 is a big and important number! I would honestly hate a Reina hog-fest with Riho on the side, because it would probably put me off of MoMusu for a while if that did happen. But I would love for it to be all fair, given what you say about needing to expose the new members as Riho is the only one getting attention.
I am glad that Akari does get lines because of her voice - I have always seen S/mileage as the group with the good vocals, they had the best singers there whilst some groups were a bit meh with it in a way (especially MoMusu) until the new members came along. And I am glad that Kanon is getting the shining light, too. She deserves it. I just wish that Meimi would be shoved to the back, but that's cos I don;t care for her xD
Ah, JE... wh are you so awesome? I might have to convert fully... D; But I don't like Kanjani8 or Kiss-my-feet so woo hoo! 8U
Blogspot simply refuses to allow me to post comments any more. Can you allow non-logged in people to post on your other blog like this? Sorry, I don't get it, just a continuous loop when trying to comment.
ReplyDeleteThat's weird, considering plenty of anonymous users always comment...
DeleteYeah, I can comment on this blog just fine, but not on your corner. It's very strange.
DeleteAh, I got it - I have changed the settings ^^ Sorry about that!
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